Good day,
This is an important topic one that I’ll flesh out increasingly more later. I deal with similar confusions, important vital confusions that can cost you your deal and even cost you a good deal of money, in my eBook - Trade Fraud, Financial Fraud, and the Joker Broker - available at http://www.importexportscam.com.
One of my agents has been negotiating some matters with an intermediary firm that is sourcing sugar for their end buyer. While normally I would not disclose details about the Sugar our principal, FTN, markets in this case my due diligence indicated the company in question may be a good prospect. The individuals were interested in the product and our prices but kept asking for a soft offer and objected to several of our procedures.
The issue of “soft offers” is something that has popped up increasingly, so I will use this group’s objections and my response as an informational aside.
Initial background:
1. FTN refuses to directly issue offers to the attention of
intermediaries. All offers are issued to the end buyer only, on the
Intermediary giving assurances he will “step back” and disclose his
buyer in return for our protection of his interests and a
commission.
2. FTN refuses to issue any offers period, except at its discretion,
to end buyers or anyone without first receiving a properly advised
RFQ clearly detailing the buyers needs wants and contact
information.
This policy is a recent one and is mainly because out of several thousand attempted transactions with intermediaries working outside our group, in particular those who have not read ITSI or FYBR, the vast majority of cases have been utter time wasters. Brokers incompetently shopping around FTN offers, and in many cases altering our offers to reflect their own desired terms and then presenting these altered offers, not realizing their alterations seriously damages the offering and its terms.
I was given some limited scope to draft my own quotes and negotiate prices on these quotes within a range, a the range differs from deal to deal and product to product. I pass these quotes to mentored coached agents working with us, or to a small circle of trusted personally trained individuals gathered over several years. These quotes are given to buyers or others outside our circle to determine interest and present the goods, an RFQ (not LOI, not ICPO or other nonsense) is expected in return, after which an offer may be drafted at FTN’s sole discretion.
This buyer’s agent repeatedly requests a soft offer. My response is you have our quote, you also have given a partial RFQ, but for a firm offer we need you to agree to step back to your buyer, after which FTN will draft an offer, we will present it to you and you must present it to your buyer directly without alteration for buyer’s acceptance.
My stating there was no such thing as a soft offer brought the major objection from buyer’s agent:
Buyer’s agent objects:
“I am more confused about that it is so difficult to obtain any kind
of offer from you. You have not showed any sign that you actual
can supply.
I have 23 years experience in international trade, out of a family
having 50 years experience on top of that and believe me- a quote
and a offer is the same ! Only to advise an offer after a quote has
been mutually agreed – sorry but makes no meaning !
A offer ( soft or subject to final confirmation ) is only to be
finalized when deal is done. ”
My reply touched on these points as follows.
- There is no such thing as a soft offer, soft offers do not exist.
- All offers are subject to final approval, offers are not subject
to final confirmation however quotations are.
Davide Papa’s International Trade and the Successful Intermediary (Ashgate Press/Gowar) makes clear the differences between an offer and quote. For further reference Clive M. Schmitthoff ’s The Export Trade, 9th edition, explains these matters as they legally pertain to International trade in an unambigious manner. If you object, then realize Schmitthoff was the 20th century’s foremost trade lawyer.
However any competent practicing trade attorney can verify the substance of my stance, even if she quibbles in a detail or two.
- This is a legal matter - in Contract law Offer and acceptance are well defined, offers indicate willingness to contract on certain terms, the intention being that it shall become binding as soon as it is accepted by the person addressed, the offeree.
Offers must be accepted exactly as presented, without modification.
Any modification is technically a counter-offer and destroys the original offer. This must be understood. However requests for additional information and clarification do not constitute a counter offer.
- Now, it is true that under USA UCC there are some differences in how offer acceptance binds. The UCC allows definite expression of offer acceptance, or written confirmation of informal agreements, to constitute valid acceptance even if additional terms are stated, or different terms from the initial offer or agreement are stated.
Such additional terms are then treated as proposals for addition into the actual ruling contract and in effect become part of the contract unless the initial offer specifically limits acceptance to the offer’s terms (and I will cover this on later with Purchase Orders), or notification of objection to the such terms is presented in a reasonable time frame, and under certain other conditions.
- The conditions defining an offer of sale include price, delivery date, payment terms, and detailed fair description of the product or service, including condition and quantities. Offers can be revoked prior to acceptance, as long as it’s not encapsulated in an option, by sufficient communication to the offeree.
- You can literally write a valid offer with a bic pen on a roll of toilet tissue if you wanted to, and it would still be binding. This however would be more than a bit silly.
- Under USA UCC codes, British Common law, and well as trade law as recognized by the EU and United Nations, quotes and offers are two separate undertakings and offers are binding under acceptance.
Legally just about everywhere a quote is regarded as non binding (with a few minor exceptions under certain conditions, in certain domestic environments such as the USA, in which explicit indication is given).
For this reason there is no such thing as a soft offer, in spite of the occasional usage of this term by some traders, by law all offers are legally binding per and subject to the terms and conditions advised.
Purchase orders (subject of a later newsletter) are similar to offers in this regards. Offers universally are binding at time of acceptance. Under British law such acceptance doesn’t even need to be advised at the time of acceptance, legally it is still binding - under US law such acceptance does need to be advised, once done it is mutually binding. Either way a formally accepted offer is binding on all parties, in the same way that a contract is.
This MUST be understood, offers create contractually binding conditions. Ergo soft offers do not exist, the word offer has specific legal definitions. Again, any trade attorney can clear this up or consult Schmitthoff .
This is why there is no such thing as a “soft offer” - the phrase soft offer may be used informally in certain areas but this is a non standard usage and therefore avoided to prevent ambiguity due to non standard/non defined terms.
Again, to reiterate by law all offers are legally binding therefore in reality a “soft” offer does not exist, while soft non binding quotations can and do exist.
These details are important to understand, do not underestimate their importance.
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Until next time,
K. J. Southall
